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Satellite L350-170: Backup image creation of system partition

Question: Satellite L350-170: Backup image creation of system partition

New here so firstly, hi to all.

Need some advice if possible please.
I have just got a new L350-170 laptop with Windows Vista Home Premium.
I have gone thro' the install process and created the recovery disks with the toshiba program as well as getting it thro' the post.

What i would like to do now is to create a complete back up image of 'c' drive now that i have installed additional programs and adjusted settings to get the laptop how i want it.

I tried acronis true image but laptop will not boot from the restore cd, even tho' cd/dvd is set in bios as 'first boot'.
Says it cant find the 'boot partition' and assume it is something to do with the toshiba restore program not being bypassed.

Is there a 'ghost-type' program that will allow me to create an image and then boot from disk so i can restore everything from the created image and therefore not lose everything i have painstakingly installed?

I assume that if i try to use the toshiba program again, it will only reproduce the original install.
I hope someone can advise.


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Preferred Solution: Satellite L350-170: Backup image creation of system partition

I recommend downloading and running Reimage. It's a computer repair tool that has been proven to identify and fix many Windows problems with a high level of success.

I've used it in the past to identify and fix everything from blue screens (BSOD's), ActiveX errors, corrupt files and processes, dll/exe/sys errors, recover lost memory, Windows update problems, defragging, malware removal etc.

You can download it direct from this link (This link will automatically start a download of Reimage that you can save to your computer.)

Answer: Satellite L350-170: Backup image creation of system partition


The Toshiba recovery disk does only set the notebook back to the factory settings. It?s not a backup program like Acronis but with the recovery disk you have Windows installation with all drivers and tools from Toshiba.

Which Acronis True Image version do you use? I use version 11 and I have no problems on all my laptops and PCs. It works perfect.
Maybe you should make an update.

Did you set the SATA mode in BIOS to AHCI or compatible? Maybe you need a SATA driver when you did set it to AHCI but I think in the newest version from Acronis you don?t need one.

I hope I could help you a little bit and if you have any problems, let me know it.


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It seems a bit ridiculous to write about the subject. (soon I can say year after year)
Microsoft is very well aware of this - and other related problems. Yet - no correction.
Be it MS or Nokia, I give them all they deserve, here we go:

I had this problem (error code 0x8078012D) with backup and system image creation with Windows 7 Professional.

Hardware: HP HDX1000-EO, backup to WD 1 TB usb HDD (NTFS).

There were some writings on various forums, but nothing seemed to help. The same error kept on popping up no matter what I tried.

I did the following things:

1 - Made a clean Windows 7 Professional install.
After this the same problem continued.

2 - Made sure that all windows services were started automatically
VSS, COM+ etc.
This did not help.

3 - Did CHDSK /r
Nothing found.

4 - Disabled Norton 360, Advanced System Care Pro and Ad-Aware
This did not help.

5 - Disconnected all connections that could interfere with the backup.
Other usb's, my net connection, I even unplugged my headphones.
No success.

6 - Tried to do the backup manually.
This worked to a certain degree. Most data files were backed up, but still no system image.
The same idiot code kept on popping up: 0x8078012D.

7 - I gave up
This helped. I simply downloaded a free 3rd party software to create the backup and system image.

I still have to see if I am able to recover anything with this free software, if (read: when) my highly praised Windows 7 crashes again.

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Answer:Backup and system image creation do not work

Hmm... If I am following you correctly, you're trying to create an Image of your drive using a built in tool with Windows 7, but yet its spitting out an error each time? Well, there are many great disk imaging programs, both commercial and open source, that have a proven track record.

There is an excellent discussion here: System Imaging as Additional Protection

The commercial solutions are, at least right now, more towards the beginning of the thread. The open source solutions are near the end.

Hope that helps.

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Help, please.

I have been reading through the User's Manual for my new lap top before setting it up and am feeling rather nervous.

The salesman said that it should open automatically when I start it up, and all I then had to do was install the printer and (say) my m/s word program and I would be up and running.

But it sounds as if I should first of all make some recovery disks.
How many disks are needed? DVD presumably - or D/L.?
Can the recovery disk(s) be made after other programs are installed?

Secondly, it mentions the online manual. Where do I find this?
I have a scanner and external Seagate HD, but these can be added later.
I am using the laptop as a desktop replacement for my five year old Mesh PC.

Thank you for your help.

Answer:Satellite L350 - Question about Recovery disk creation


Yes, it?s very important to create the Recovery disk before you would change anything on your notebooks HDD.
After you have finished the Vista setup you should start the application called Toshiba recovery Disk Creator.
This application will help you to create the Recovery disk.

As I?m not mistaken you would need one DVD?. I recommend using an DVD-R.

Note; in some cases you can get an error burning the Recovery DVD. This can happens because not all disks are fully compatible. So if you would get such error please check different DVDs from different manufacturers


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I'm eager to set win xp instead of current vista on Satellite L350 -17Z because some soft is not stable and faults, while under xp on desktop I had no problems. XP Compatibility mode doesn't solve this.

So I decided to do it in a cruel way as a notebook is new and hdd nearly empty, besides I have got used to xp. Still I tried to make a recovery, using TOSHIBA Recovery Disc Creator.

But?*during burning DVD there is a fault and message about some problems with calibration. I tried few disks - same result.

Answer:Satellite L350-17Z: Recovery disc creation issue - problem with calibration

Hi Snen,

It would be interesting to know what CD/DVD drive you have. Maybe you should try to update the firmware of the drive. For some Toshiba and Pioneer drives the website shows a firmware update. It?s worth a try! > Support & Downloads > Download Drivers

And what kind of DVDs you are using for creating a recovery disk? I have good experience with DVD-R types and I use it from Verbatim.

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I partitioned my hard drive on my laptop, segmenting off 150GB for the sole purpose of backing everything up. In the case of an emergency, how would I restore from this backup?
Also, does the backup ever refresh itself or must I manually refresh every now and then? Will a new system image backup replace the old one?
How do I hide the Recovery (R:) drive so it cant be accessed or even seen by anyone except me?
And this is just because I'm curious. Why doesn't File History work with a partitioned hard drive? It doesn't seem to think it exists at all.

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It looks like a virus has damaged my uncle's Win7Pro 64bit system beyond repair so I'm going to have to reinstall Windows on a wiped hard drive. Unfortunately, no image was taken of the current installation before it got infected, so we'll be starting from scratch.

Here's the idea I had:
C partition (primary Windows 7 installation)
D partition (secondary Windows 7 installation, basically an image of the C partition)
E partition (documents and picture storage)

Would this be possible, and would you recommend it or not? The idea is if they ruined the C partition with a virus or malware again, they could boot to the D partition instead and immediately have a replacement backup OS configured with their same user accounts and programs that points to E for their document storage, just like the C partition. Other than not having access to newly-installed programs or files saved to the desktop, it would otherwise be equivalent.

I have the original Windows 7 Pro 64-bit disc since this is a homebuilt computer.

The kids are home schooled and rely heavily on this computer for everything school-related. I'm not always available to rescue them in a timely manner if something goes bad with the computer.

I'm looking for a solution that accomplishes two things: (1) easy for them to switch to and keeps downtime at an absolute minimum, and (2) doesn't require my immediate intervention and physical presence at their home to implement it.

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Answer:System image installed on another partition...backup OS install?

Here's the idea I had:
C partition (primary Windows 7 installation)
D partition (secondary Windows 7 installation, basically an image of the C partition)
E partition (documents and picture storage)

NO, back up should not be on the same HDD.

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I want to take an image of my hdd.
I start True image Home 2011 from a bootable cd. After "starting loader" and choosing "True image", cusor is shortly seen and then screen is black and system hangs.

Can someone help me? Thks
satellite l350-153


Answer:Satellite L350-153 - Cannot start image using True image


I have no experience using the True image Home 2011 but I think this is a wrong forum to ask for this issue.
You should ask this in the forum for True image Home 2011

I found this support page on the software manufacturer page:

Here a nice thread about similar issue:

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I hope this is in the correct section - apologies if it isn't.

I have a new PC with Vista Home Premium x64 and I would like to make reinstallation or recovery disks. The machine has a program to create recovery disks but that fails each time - the DVD writer is working OK as I have made a few other disks. I should really return it I suppose but I would rather avoid the hassle - the PC itself is working fine and I have moved my stuff over from my old machine.

From reading the tutorials here I understand I can't make a complete backup image as its not the Ultimate/Business version.

Therefore does anyone have a suggestion for a backup and recovery tool ? I am downloading the x64 recovery CD image as I tap - the one which works with the OEM partition but I wondered about a complete "wipe" tool.

Ghost seems an obvious one but from reading posts elsewhere some people have had problems with Vista 64. I have downloaded the free version of HDclone but that doesn't support the disk type - I need the pro edition for that.

To get going I have made a complete drive image with CloneZilla to an external USB drive but obviously I will only get to test this when it all goes mamaries skyward, has anyone restored from this ?

Answer:Backup Image Creation

Hi Morph,

There is a program - the free version of which is excellent and may be what you want.

You can create compressed images of your partition/ drive and store it on another partition or even recordable dvd's.

The program can make a small version of itself on a bootable cd.

If you need to restore that way, boot in from the cd - it loads itself into memory - remove the cd and put in your dvd containing the image - the program will restore it to the drive.

You may want to make another image every now and again so it's not out of date - the program even lets you schedule that if you want.

It's very small and fast - best of all the free one will probably be all you need.

It's called Macrium Reflect and you can get it from here

Macrium Reflect Free Edition 4.2 build 2033 - Downloads - ZDNet Australia
The installer has both 32 and 64 bit versions and will automatically install the correct one .

Hope it helps


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I have a friend?s Satellite L350 laptop which I attempted to repair, but the HDD is faulty, so badly I can't create restore disks. I cloned the image partition to another HDD (yes I created 2 partitions) which is a western digital, but for some reason when pressing F8 I can't get into the restore option, but I can on the faulty drive, is this because you have to use a Toshiba HDD only?

Thanks in advance


Answer:Re: Satellite L350-170 - cannot use cloned recovery partition

Hello Chris

It has nothing with Toshiba HDD. This option works when notebook is preinstalled with original recovery image. This with cloned partition will not work and HDD recovery option will not be listed in ?advanced boot options?.

Only when you install recovery image on this new HDD it will works.

One more thing: this old L350 works very good with Win7 32bit so if possible install it instead of using original Vista.

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Hi to all

I have a Satellite L350 and recently I've installed Vista Home Premium in a different language (the OEM Vista was in English) hoping I could activate it with the OEM key, but I didn't succeed.

When I wanted to re-install the OEM Vista from WinRE I realized I can't access it and then I had a "brilliant" idea that if format the C partition with the Acronis Disc Director it would boot from WinRE. It didn't.

Fortunately I?ve burned the recovery discs before. The only problem is that the recovery disc formats the entire HDD and I have data on the second partition I've would like to retrieve.

I tried to install again the retail Vista to backup the data from the second partition (yes, I'm an idiot, I didn't do it before) but it stops after the first reboot. I get a black screen with a low dash blinking.

I really need that data, please help!

Answer:Satellite L350 - Can't install Vista and how can I backup my data?


I can tell you why you can?t install a retail version of Vista by using the product key. This is pretty easy because the key on the bottom side on the notebook belongs to the preinstalled OEM version and can?t be used by a retail version.

However, I think the best way to backup your data would be that you put the HDD in an external HDD case and then you can backup your data on another PC or notebook.
Such external HDD cases are not expensive but very useful.


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I can't access the recovery manager on a Toshiba L350. I have tried holding down 0 (zero, both of them) at the start to access the HD-Recovery, but nothing happens. Is there something obvious I'm missing?

The reason I want to access is:
I have a Toshiba l350 with a partly installed windows here. At the moment, it gets "Starting Windows" and "The instalation program is started services" (in Norwegian) whichs stop with a popupbox saying "The computer unexpectedly restartet, or an unexpected error occured. The insatllation cannot procceed. To install Windows you have to click ok to restart the computer. Start the installation process again.".

What started the trouble was that during the last part of the installation (after Win7 became usable, but before everything was setup), escape was pressed and the computer was used normally.

Answer:Satellite L350: Can't access recovery partition by pressing 0

> I can't access the recovery manager on a Toshiba L350. I have tried holding down 0 (zero, both of them) at the start to access the HD-Recovery, but nothing happens. Is there something obvious I'm missing?

I assume you are using an European notebook model and therefore you should try this;
- Press F8 while notebook powering up.
- Then choose ?Repair my Computer?
- Then ?Toshiba HDD Recovery?.

This should allow you to start the Toshiba HDD recovery process.

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HI all,

I want to reinstall Vista without touching the second partition which is full of data.
Will i be able to do that with this procedure?

The confusing part is when it says in explanations that the *whole hdd* will be formatted (step 2) but on one of the pictures it is written that only data on C: will be erased.
I have Satellite L350, and the hdd recovery procedure is the same as on the tutorial linked before (I didn't go all the way obviously)

Answer:Satellite L350 - want to reinstall Vista without touching second partition

Hi amigo

I have tested how it works and from my experience I can confirm that when you use HDD recovery procedure as described in Toshiba document all data saved on second partition won?t be deleted.

Just if you use recovery DVD (please create one) the whole HDD will be formatted.

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my laptop works with Vista and Toshiba TEMPRO. This program gives a warning: "1 of your harddisk partitions is filled with data more than 75%. From 465,76GB total memory only 76,13GB is free".
The joke is that my harddisk of total 320GB is separated into 2 partitions of 148GB each. 1 partition has 86,44GB free space, the other has 109,75GB free space, checked with Windows Explorer.

Why TEMPRO gives this warning? How TEMPRO finds 466GB on a harddisk of 320GB? Is TEMPRO a failured program? Has anybody of this forum experience with TEMPRO?

Many thanks for answers

Answer:Satellite L350-20H - TEMRPO warning message about full partition

hi, mate

tempro is a funny program :) my advice is to remove it and be happy. You can find many threads in this forum about tempro that offers to install updates and the system stops working, then

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Hi all.

Running a nice shiny new copy of win 7 home premium and have set about backing up the install.

The system has two disks, both sata, a 230 GB basic disk for the OS and boot partitions and a 1TB dynamic for my data.

When i try to create a system image of the system drive (C to a partition on the dynamic disk it warns me that restore functionality will be limited.

Any ideas what that means in term of what the issue is?

Many thanks

Answer:System Image creation question

Hello Geascian, and welcome to Seven Forums.

When restoring a system image from a dynamic volume, the disks on your computer cannot be formatted to match the layout of the disks on the backup. To have full functionality, select a volume (partition) on a basic disk as your backup location instead.

Hope this helps,

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How can I create a SYSTEM BACKUP IMAGE on  an external USB Flash Drive  to protect and recover when necessary, my personal  files ,folders and apps? 



Hi,You can do this using this in a few ways as you haven't provided the OS version I will give you the generic guide. Hp creating recovery media James

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Windows 7 have an inbuilt system image creation and restore option, for which we needed to purchase or get some 3rd party utilities in XP (i donno about Vista)
If you create a drive backup you can restore it and can go back to the same state when you taken the image.
How to geek is having a post regarding this, you can read it here How to Create a System Image in Windows 7 :: the How-To Geek

Answer:Windows 7 System Image creation and restore

Yeah, Mysticgeek who does those write-ups for the Geek is a good man. He publishes one about all sorts of subjects every day. I am subscribed to the HTG feed and can highly recommend it.

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Usually when I do a system image backup (standard procedure from Start menu, ie type BACKUP) on my 140gb drive it takes around 2 hours, but today the operation took less than 10 minutes, although it said completed successfully. What is going on here as there are no apparent errors?

Answer:Windows 7 system image creation in less than 10 minutes?

Windows 7 backup uses incremental backups when creating a system image with file/folder backups. So it could be that it's only backed up the changes since the last full backup/incremental.
Did you check to make sure it included all the drives/folders for backup?
You can mount the system image to check this:

How To Extract Individual Files From a Windows 7 System Image Backup

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Computer: Toshiba Laptop
Model: Satellite M305D-S4830

Problem: Initially windows wouldn't boot; so I decided I would try to reformat it to fix the issue.
First I erased the hard drive; now I'm trying to use the "TOSHIBA Recovery Wizard" that came with the laptop to reinstall the operating system, but end up getting the following:

"ERROR: 08-0A74-0000
Partition creation failed."

p.s. I have tried formating using the command prompt but it says format failed after choosing a volume label.

p.s.#2 When I run the startup repair I get the error that the volume is corrupt

I noticed there is a hidden partition called X: where there is a backup of the out-of-box operating system, but have no clue how I might use that backup to possibly restore windows...

What should I do?

Answer:Satellite M305D-S4830: recovery error - Partition creation failed

I think the problem is the partition on your HDD.
You said you erased the hard drive? well, this might be the reason why the recovery does not function as it should.

In my opinion the full HDD should be formatted again (all partitions should be removed and formatted too.).
Maybe you could use an Microsoft original disk (Win XP CD) to format the HDD and then you could use the Toshiba recovery disk to recover the notebook again!

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* Before I begin I will add that I am aware of the excellent tutorials available here and will be using them =) *
I need to migrate to a hard drive that already has windows 7 HP 64bit on it. I do not however want the registry information and all of the drivers and bloat-ware that reside in the destination HDD.
To my understanding I will just need to boot a system image of my old HDD on the destination HDD.

I need some confirmation that my understanding of the process is sufficient to complete the procedure without problems.

So here is how I understand I will do this :
1. Create system repair disc
2. Create system image disc
3. Place system image disc in the disc drive
4. Place destination hard drive in the laptop.
5. Boot to the disc containing the System Image
6. Follow instructions
7. Victory


Am I right?

Would I be able to achieve the same result with only using a repair disc from my old HDD?

Will I need to wipe the destination HDD?

Answer:System image/repair disc creation and use questions

Hello lolpsy,

I would recommend to save the system image to a separate external or internal hard drive. DVDs are just not reliable enough IMO.

1. Create system repair disc
2. Create system image, and save to separate hard drive
3. Connect drive that contains system image.
4. Place destination hard drive in the laptop.
5. Boot from system repair disc
6. Select to do a system image recovery
7. Follow instructions
8. Victory

Hope this helps,

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I have two Seagate 2TB external drives that I want to use for backup purposes (system image only). The older drive is USB 2.0 and it works fine, whether it's plugged into a 2.0 or 3.0 port.

My new drive is USB 3.0, and it is causing me problems. It will store data files, but not a system image. When I try to create a system image of my Win 7 Pro C: drive (and by default the EFI System Partition), it goes through the following steps:
- Windows is saving the backup
- Preparing to create the backup
- Preparing media
- Backing up EFI System Partition
At that point I get the Backup Failed screen shown in the attachment.

I am totally perplexed as to why one drive is successful and the other is not. Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Answer:Creation of Win 7 System Image to External Drive Fails

Try to make the image with this command where "S" is the address of the disk to where the image is written. You may need to change that to reflect your setup.:

wbadmin start backup -backupTarget:S: -include:C: -AllCritical -quiet

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Hi everyone
I did this stunt on a friend's laptop. Her laptop had windows 7 and had a single disk partition. I created a new partition from the disk management console of windows 7, and divided the existing 430GB hard drive into two partitions. However I made a mistake and I set the new partition as active!
and now the windows does not boot. She had windows 7 professional installed on her laptop. and i dont have any installer there for too. however i have a windows 7 SP1 installer downloaded. I also created a command prompt bootable USB but it wont access the primary hard disk partition that had windows i.e. c:
to be honest, i dont even remember if that was c:
is there anything I could do to keep her data safe? as the prime purpose for creating a partition was to copy her data to the new partition and format the existing one to install a fresh copy of windows.
I need your quick suggestions. Please advise!
Thank you.

Answer:Creation of a new partition and missing operating system error

Sorry to hear of the madness. The belt and braces procedure would have encouraged a disk backup before meddling with the partition.
I think you could still read from the hard drive. Taking it out of the laptop and into a sata USB caddy.
I do hope you find an answer.

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I have a Satellite L350- 170, this has only happened tonight, battery indicator is orange instead of green, it's not flashing though.
Anyone know why? I always have the power lead plugged in.

Answer:Satellite L350 - Battery system indicator is orange instead of green

If the notebook was not connected to the AC adapter for few seconds or looses contact from AC power supply the battery can loose capacity and now it can be orange for few seconds.

In my opinion everything is OK and there is no reason for panic.

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Delete unneeded files: the hibernate-file (hiberfil.sys) & the OneNote-cache (if you use OneNote...)
Reduce the size of the pagefile to a minimum, or move it to another partition.
Delete hiberfil.sys Turn off hibernation: Start CMD ( as Admin) Type: powercfg -h off
Moving the pagefile or reducing the size Change the location of the pagefile by creating another partition for it. If you don?t want to do that you can:
change the size of the pagefile to a minimum-value create the backup
restore the page file to it?s original size afterwards.
Delete the OneNote-cache Start OneNote File -- Options -- Save & Backup Look under Cache file location: Copy the path Close OneNote Start a filemanager Paste the path into the addressbar Delete the cache-folder (14.0 in OneNote 2010) Create the system-backup. When it?s finished, turn hibernation on again: Start CMD ( as Admin) Type: powercfg -h on If you deleted the OneNote-cache: Next time you start OneNote you will not see all sections immediately, there will be a short delay while OneNote recreates the cache.
Some calculation examples of the savings on my computer hiberfil.sys = 7.7 GB OneNote-cache = 1.9 GB Pagefile = 12.5 GB (located on another partition) Original size of the system-partition:
(including pagefile) = 38.3 GB (excluding pagefile) = 26.6 GB After deleting hiberfil.sys... Read more

Answer:Speed up creation of System Backup Images & Reduce their size in Windows

Nice tips.
One should also run Disk Cleanup Utility to free up hard disk space.

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Hey guys, I don't have the money for a backup drive right now and wondered if I could just create a separate partition for this?  I have plenty of space for it and am aware that this won't help if I have HDD failure, but this would be a good option if I got infected or something right?
And what type of tool would be appropriate for this, Macrium, Aomei etc.  Still trying to wrap my head around all this backup stuff, Image, Bootable Backup Media etc.
It just takes to long to do this from Recovery Set or Recovery Partition and then all the updates and such. 
Thanks pcpunk

Answer:Partition for Backup Image

Making a separate partition on the same hard drive would not gain you any benefits with either a failing/failed or if it becomes infected. Depending on what part of the hard drive you would need to backup (assuming they are just your media,document and exe files), try using a couple of DVDs maybe or try imaging your drive instead.

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Before I re-imaged my laptop, I made sure to do a backup of personal files + a system image in case things went wrong.

The imaging was successful, and now, the new Win7 OS recognizes the old backup as a backup from another computer (as it should).

However, is it possible to manage this old backup? (manage => edit)

Now that I don't need the old system image, I would prefer to get rid of it ... plus, I created a backup for my current image so there's quite a bit of space used by backup files..


Answer:Managing a backup from a previous image (eg. deleting system image)

Should be able to just delete it, but more detail is needed for the best answer.

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From times to times I load my disk image backup from win7 system and install the new programs/drivers i was using and save a new backup.

I usually to do this by backing up my C: drive, but this turn to my surprise, windows for some reason wants to backup C and D, is it possible to pick a drive for it to make a system image?

I'm mean, this is probably my 8th updagrade to the backup. I've always backed up from C: -> D:, which are on the same hdd, and now it suddenly needs to backup C and D to create a system image .

Answer:system image backup - how does windows pick the drives to backup?

Hello vbkun.

Will you please post a snip/screen-shot of the entire disk management drive map so we can see what you have going on.

In the Windows start menu right click computer and click manage, in the left pane of the "Computer Management" window that opens click disk management and post a snip of that.

How to Post a Screenshot in Seven Forums

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Hi, I have a 1TB external hard drive that I will use to make a Backup Image. I'm going to Use Symantec Ghost to make a backup Image.

Should I partition the External hard drive first? I would also like to use it to store other files and folders. If so, how big should the partition with the backup Images be?

How large is a typical Image backup file? I also plan on backing up 2 other linux machines.

Answer:Should I partition the drive with the Backup Image?

A separate partition isn't needed unless you will be booting a Linux distro from the external drive. I've imaged my system and it was 28GB in size. Yours will be different depending on how much data you have.

If you have video or music or other real large collections, I would suggest not including those in the image. Save them to the external drive and the just copy back when needed.

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I have an XPS (W 10) with a 500 GB SSD, I would like to partition a 1 TB HD (5400rpm) and make a disk image in order to backup the system.  On the other partition do daily file backups.  Is this possible and where would I find out how to partition to ensure it will work? 

Answer:How do I make a Disk Image backup from an SSD to a partition on an HD?

Reflect is much easier to use.  It's also more feature-laden than windows own imaging utility is.

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I'm using only 70 GB of the 883 GB (C): partition on my hard drive. I shrunk the partition by 100 GB to create a
new 100 GB partition for an image backup of the 70 GB of system and data files. Yes, I realize that an external drive would be best, but I don't have one right now. Anyway, Win 7 image backup claims that my target drive is to small for the operation (after xferring about 20 GB to the new partition). Does the backup software not realize that 70 < 100 or is there is more to this than I realize ?

Answer:Target partition to small for image backup

LOL . are you sure it isn't trying to include other partitions in the image as well?

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Does anyone know how I can make a backup copy of my Vista partition (F) from my XP drive (E). Is DriveImage XML suitable?

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Alright, so I do up THIS THREAD on how to setup a partition, now I've gone off to read some other stuff and wholly confused myself. I've ended up with some miscellaneous questions about setting WinXP to its own partition:

1. 'My Documents' folder, separate of the OS partition: I don't understand, how is this done? Are people just referring to manually moving things over as part of a regular backup or is there some setting where you can choose where (which HDD) WinXP sets up user accounts and 'My Documents'? Most programs default to save works at 'My Documents' manually shuffling to another directory on a separate partition every time would be a chore so I must be missing something. I'm referring to the 'C:\Documents and Settings\[USER]\My Documents' directory.
1a. What's so great about the My Docs folder anyway, isn't it just some generally accepted default place for Win applications to save your work in?
2. How does one 'backup' the OS? What is meant by this and what can be backed up? I've read people mentioning burning the OS partition off to a DVD weekly, how would you recover from this and wouldn't it disturb all installed software?
3. How does one 'image' the OS? (#2,etc) What the difference and software used?
4. How do I set this up now for an easy OS reinstall later?
5. I would want to install software one the same partition as the OS right, data on another?
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I have an all-in-one desktop computer with a 1 TB internal HDD. When I first got the computer, I did not understand how helpful it would have been to create a separate partition just for my data. Because of the location of the OEM partition, I would have had to use a third-party program to move it and create the data partition.

I ended up just using the built-in utility to create my system image that included a lot of data. My external HDD was only 1 TB. At the time I didn't understand how useful it would have been to have a larger external so that I could keep more than one image without having to write over the old one while saving a new image.

I have finally purchased a 3 TB external hard drive. I am wondering whether there is any need or advantage to partitioning it before I start using it?

I also have been considering imaging the whole HDD, and then also using SyncToy to back up all my data files. The data file backups will then be redundant, but it seems they might be more reliable and also easier to access. Will they be accessible folders just like I have in my internal HDD - so if I wanted, I could hook up the external HDD and easily navigate to and play a file that was stored with SyncToy? (I wanted to verify that SyncToy doesn't break large files into smaller segments and zip them like I think Windows Backup does.)

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Answer:Large external HDD for backup - Partition? Image and Synctoy?

Blue Skies,
Without knowing what your storage is needed for, it's hard to give you any advice. Backing up your data is a good think but it's hard to say when enough is enough. That 3TB drive is one big puppy and I think if it were me I'd divide it up into 1TB partitions. Why do you need to make a lot of Imaged Backups? I had several at one time myself and I found only the current one is good for anything. That is especially true if you are adding files to your system on a dialy basis.

Why are you worried about compressed files? I don't know anything about the program (SyncToy) but you want to backup only the Files that you make changes to. Having more backups is over kill and will cost you a lot of big bucks.
Good Luck

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I am sure the answer is out there, but haven't found an exact solution to this question, so...

I back up my System Reserved partition + C partition with both the native Win7 software (create an image file) and also, to be safe, with Acronis, creating the images on separate external USB drives.

My question is this: in the event of the drive on which I have my O/S failing (it's on an SSD, and I just had my other SDD fail on me) would I be able to restore one of the images - Windows or Acronis - to a different, smaller partition on a different disk, provided that the original, uncompressed size of the data on the original partitions is smaller than that of the partition I want to restore it to? In other words, if my current C drive is on a partition of 80GBs, but occupies only 40GBs of that - the rest being unused, free space, would I be able to restore one of the backup images to a partition of, say 60GBs? Or does the unused space 'count'?



Answer:Restoring Win7 image backup to smaller partition?

Martinlest, I know that the internal Microsoft image backup won't install on a smaller drive than it was created from.
I don't believe that Acronis will either but I am not 100% sure. Nothing to lose by trying. Have you gotten on the
acronis forum and asked the question?


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Can Macrium restore a backup image to a smaller partition as long as there is enough space allocated for the space used ?

I transferred my Test Box triple boot OSs from a HD spinner to an SSD.
I had to make the OS partitions smaller for this transfer.
Macrium Reflect free recreated the SSD partition to the original HD size during the restore.
It didn't restore the image to the smaller SSD partition.
It deleted my 2nd pre-allocated partition so it could have a 120 GB partition to restore to.
The HD partition is 120 GB with ~20 GB of used space.
The SSD partition is 65 GB.

I ended up using Acronis, as it can restore to a smaller partition size.

Did I miss something when creating or restoring the Macrium image that would allow restoring to a smaller target size partition ?

Answer:Can Macrium restore a backup image to a smaller partition ?

Macrium must be restored to a larger or partition of equal size.
At least for the free version which I have.

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I ran out of space on the C: drive I installed Win7 on so I made a backup with Acronis True Image in hopes of putting this on one of the larger partitions on the same drive.
The problem is that it seems like Acronis won't let me clone an individual partition to another partition, it only gives the option to clone to another physical drive?

I can open the Acronis backup of the original C: drive, and I tried to copy/paste this over to the bigger "K" partition but got the error: "a required privledge is not held by the client" right at the end of the copying.

"K" is a logical partition, do I need to change this to primary to load the original C: drive onto it? If so, how? Man, this really sucks any help on how to get the backup onto the bigger partition is appreciated.

Answer:How to clone true image backup file to new partition?

Quote: Originally Posted by bounce

I ran out of space on the C: drive I installed Win7 on so I made a backup with Acronis True Image in hopes of putting this on one of the larger partitions on the same drive...

Almost all recent versions of Acronis TI can install an image back-up file onto any suitable partition.

'Suitable' means one you have permission to alter, and which is large enough and appropriately formatted.

It is possible some versions of TI are not fully complaint with W7

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Can someone tell by these jpgs if the 6/28/10 "backup" is just a user files backup or a complete System Image Backup with user files backup included which I think is my default b/u setup now ?


Answer:Is this a general backup or system IMAGE & BACKUP

The items in the right pic could be moved to a flash drive or burned to CD. You will have to find them.

The Flash is easy to redownload. The Windows Security updates will just download and install again.

I'll check what my Sys Restore looks like and be back in a moment for the left picture.
I want to be sure.

My last Back up System Restore looks like yours. So this is defintely a System Restore point you are showing.
They changed the wording a bit on Win7 compared to XP.
If you need to go back that far you can try it.
Transfer what you can.


Yes System Image.

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I used Acronis true image 2010 to back up the OS image for my X200T. Before hard drive partition, I can restore the image to X200 without problems, everything works fine. Since I have the Acronis backup image, I thought I donot need the factory recovery image and hard drive partition any more so I formatted the hard drive. Now I have two partitions on my drive (C and D). After I restored the Acronis image to C, the PC won't boot. it says "BOOTMGR is missing". Any ideas? If it does not work, I want to extract the Vista activation information from the Acronis image so I can reinstall vista and restore the activation. Is it possible?Many thanks,   

Answer:Acronis backup image won't work after hard drive partition (x200T)

I activated vista over phone successfully. So there is no need to recover the OEM activation information. 

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Back for more, and thanks in advance for any useful advice. I appreciate it. I've just finished configuring a dual boot Windows 7 (native OS)/XP Professional setup on my HP Pavilion dv4 2040us, and now that I've tweaked both OS's to my taste I'm wanting to do image backups of everything in the event of a catastrophic failure. Paranoia is good. Anyway, my questions: I know that Win 7 has a "System" partition that I must image WITH the Win 7 partition in order to recover, but I don't know if the XP partition is standalone or, because of the dual boot setup, it needs files from either the System partition or the Win 7 partition in order to boot properly. More lucidly: I would like the ability to reinstall either partition INDEPENDENTLY of the other, in case it's not a hard drive issue but instead an issue with that particular OS/partition that's pushing me to reinstall, but I'm not sure what all I need to image to gain this independence. Basically, I don't want to image the entire hard drive as one because if I'm only having trouble with one partition then I'd have to reinstall both to correct this. . Please, does anybody know the proper way to (combine) image(s) so that I can reinstall either partition/OS independently? Ahhh, I'm using Macrium Reflect Free Edition for the imaging, if it matters. Thank you for your patience, and thanks again for any help.

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Hi, I am trying out windows 7 backup, hoping at last that I won't need a 3rd party backup solution. So far so bad! My first problem is how ridicilously slow the backup is, but this has been discussed at length elsewhere. My second problem is the backup stalls when I try to backup a folder which I know has got various bits of malware in. I am an IT pro and use the files in this folder for testing purposes. OK fair enough I guess, although I think the backup should handle this event a bit more elegantly. So I've zipped and password protected the offending files to hide them from the AV (security essentials by the way) The final problem which I just can't understand is that when I try to create an image of my system drive, backup wants to add my D drive (which is purely a data drive) to the image. My D drive is huge and I don't want to include it in a system image. I keep my system drive lean and mean for exactly this purpose but now I can't back it up because the total size of C and D drives combined exceed the capacity of my backup drive. I know for a fact that the D drive has no consequence to the system boooting or operating, I have disconnected it and windows boots up just fine. In computer management the D Drive is not showing up as a system drive, so why does windows think it is? And why isn't there a power user mode wher I can choose exactly what I want in a system image, I understand you're trying to make windows easy to use for the average Joe, bu... Read more

Answer:Windows 7 Backup - System image includes non system disk

I suggest you check your hard drive jumpers. There should be only one Active drive. If you disconnect the data partition the Active partition will be changed. We are not clear why the partition will be Active partition when you connect it.
You may open Disk Management, set the 100MB system served partition or your Windows partition as Active and check the result again.Arthur Xie - MSFT

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Can some one tell me what the differences are between system image, system restore and system backup.

Also I made a system image and stored the file on an external drive and can't find the image file. Can someone tell me how I can find the file - did a search and organized the drive by date and could not find the file.

Answer:Difference between system image, system rest and backup

System Image is a copy of your hard drive
System restore copies your OS
Back up and restore copies your personal doucments etc

On my system the file is windows image and backup.

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I installed the 32 bit version of W10 on an old Acer laptop to get back up to speed with developments, and one of the first questions or issues that cropped up is when using W10's disk image utility to make a system image. I deliberately wished to place the image on a separate partition on the single HDD in use and W10 lists the partition as available but understandably doesn't recommend it because its on the same HDD as the OS. That said it still offers the location for use and allows the creation of the backup. All goes well until the last percentage point on the progress bar when it reports the following error saying the shadow copy is on another volume. If I check the actual location where I wanted the backup to be made (the partition on the main HDD) I find it is there, however, exiting and restarting the Disk Image utility then brings a message that no backups have been found. The backup file that is viewable in explorer is of the expected size (the free space is down by the expected amount) and so it appears to be 'real' but W10 can't see it.

Making a backup to plugged in USB drive has no such problem and is error free .

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first of all, i'm not really sure that i'm in the right section, I apologize if i'm not !
Then, my english isn't really good when it comes to computering, so forgive me again :)

So, I have one Toshiba Satellite P770 and I know that there is some sort of backup partition, I already used it once, (last night) because I wanted to clean t up.

Then I realised that the partitions weren't like I wanted them to be, so I chose the option where I can format all of the hard drive (2x500Go, took around 2h for each one of them) After that, I wanted to use that "secret partition" to install everything back.
The problem is that, when I press F8 when I turn the laptop on, I get an error message :
"Reboot and Select proper Boot device
or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"

I would like to know if I already screwed up and I can't use that backup partition that was provided with the laptop.
If I can, how can I do it ? I don't know how to select the proper boot device....

Thanks for your help!


Answer:Satellite P770 - Question about backup partition

I?m afraid you have screwed up everything. Thats typical for many people who play with notebook before they read user?s manuals where is recommended creation of back-up DVD called ?recovery DVD?.

Have you maybe done this?

Anyway, HDD recovery OS installation (from recovery partition) can work if partitions structure is not changed and notebook has ?factory settings?.
Now, if you want to have ?factory settings? again, you must use recovery DVD. If you didn?t create one you must buy one and it can be ordered on

If you have more questions you are welcome.

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I am running Windows 7 Ultimate. I do a complete system image backup each week to an external hard drive. However each new backup seems to overwrite the previous backup. Is there any way to keep several generations of the image backups?

Answer:System Image Backup

From all I have seen and heard, the Win7 Backup/Restore is not yet ready for prime time. A lot of people had problems with it. And that could be fatal the day you need to recover your system. I would recommend you use a proven program for that. My current favorite is free Macrium because it is really efficient and it works. Here is a little tutorial that I have posted. You'll see it is childs play to use it.
Image your system with free Macrium

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Hello all,
Some time ago, I cloned my 128 GB ssd with Win 8 installed on it to a 2 TB hdd for the purpose of having a bootable backup copy of my ssd. So, now I have 128GB of drive space on the 2TB hdd devoted to a copy of Win 8, while the rest is a partition for various data, games and programs. Now I want to update the Win 8 copy on the 2TB drive. If I understand correctly, cloning again will wipe out the data partition on the 2TB drive. I'd like to not lose that data, so I was wondering if a recently made system image backup of the 128 GB ssd can be used on the 2TB drive Win 8 install without wiping out the data partition. Thanks, for your time.

Answer:System image backup

In theory it could, as you are asked which partitions and/or hard drives you don't want to format, but I've never tried it the way you want to do it and I have a feeling that you wouldn't even be permitted to choose to not format that data partition, but even if you did, I would consider it risky, assuming you don't have all that data backed up elsewhere.
I just took a few minutes to think about this a bit more.
Seems to me that I remember wanting to do something similar, so what I did was put the Windows System Image onto the data partition, knowing that Windows couldn't possibly overwrite the image itself while restoring it, thus the data partition would be safe, but it didn't work.
I got a notification to the effect of,
Windows cannot use this image as it is on the drive that needs to be formatted in order to restore the image.
Those are my words, but you get the picture.
In short, I don't think there is any way for you to do it, but I'll keep it in the back of my mind and advise you, if I figure out another way.

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In the past I have always used Acronis True Image to create a System Image. However, I have two issues with Acronis, firstly it is not cheap at around 40 ($60 US) per computer and secondly it has more bells and whistles than a Thailand Taxi - consequently I have only ever used about 10% of its functionality.

User data files are no longer an issue because online Cloud storage is either free or very inexpensive. It works well, uses minimal system resources and can be setup to happen seamlessly in the background. So for a user to become physically involved in making backups of data files is quickly becoming a thing of the past. For me it is already a thing of the past.

So the question now is - What is the best solution for creating a System Image Backup in W8.1?

Not to be confused - I am referring specifically here to a "Full System Image Backup" and not to the quick and easy W8.1 Recovery Drive, which is a simple task for which one only needs a relatively low-capacity USB.

Most computers today are delivered with the next-to-useless manufacturers "Recovery Partition". After using a computer for a period of time, who in their right mind would want to revert the machine back to the system state in which it was delivered. I have yet to be convinced that these "Recovery Partitions" are anything but an easy way for Support to provide so-called support while the machine is still under warranty. Just try it - log a support call with a manufacturer wh... Read more

Answer:System Image Backup

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I have a laptop and am trying hard to do backup 3 different backup including windows 10 system backup. when do a full backup my 500Gb drive is down by 170Gb and I do weekly backups and I have only 158Gb left on space and I only did 3 backups help me to understand the correct way to do backups.
Laptop Acer V3-571 8 GB ram 750 HDD.
E. Taffa

Answer:How can I fix a system image backup?

Did you backup on another disk or to an external disks? Have you tried to do an incremental backup only? You only need one system image, the rest as an incremental backup. If the included program can only do full system backup, you can find other backup software that will make incremental backups.

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I have just created a System Image Backup on my "slave" drive which I had done once before. When I look at the "WindowsImageBackup" folder it is dated prior to my last backup. Does that mean that I didn't get a new image or that it replaced my previous image but didn't change the date?

Also can I move the image to a flash drive or an external HD and restore from there?

Answer:System Image backup

The correct date of your last image taken should be on the subfolder within WindowsImageBackup.

If in doubt, you can attach the .vhd files in Disk management to browse and edit their contents: Virtual Hard Disk - Create and Attach VHD

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Answer:Is a backup the same as a system image?

A System Image creates an exact copy of the contents (all files, folders, system settings, etc) on the entire hard drive which can be stored on an external hard drive. System Image is intended for a major catastrophe such as when your computer will no longer boot or severe malware infection.A backup copies your personal files such as those in My Documents, Music, Pictures and Videos. Backup is intended for for restoring items on a small scale in case you accidentally overwrite or delete them.Backup and Restore in Windows 7How to Backup your files in Windows 7How to Restore files from backup in Windows 7What is a system image in Windows 7How to create a Windows system image to back up your programs, system settings, and files in Windows 7How to create a Windows system image in Windows 7 and Windows 8

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Hi all,I have a question that I hope is not a foolish one.I do a system image backup every month in windows 7.
It also asks me if I want a system repair disc which I did the first time.Do I have to make a new repair disc everytime I do a backup.Thanx,Tony.

Answer:System image backup

When your computer won't boot, a System Repair Disc is used to bring you into the System Repair Options to perform a system restore, perform an image restore, open a command prompt, or repair the startup environment. It is independent of updates and service packs. Therefore, you do not need to create a System Repair Disc every time you make a system image backup. Also, if you have the Windows 7 Installation DVD, it will work as a System Repair Disc.

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From what I understand the backup makes an image and you set set it to update in increments when new files are added like once a week or so.

Or, you can just make a full system image but if your drive fails you can only restore back to that point of course so anything new is lost.

Can you restore everything just from a backup or do you need the full image?

Answer:7 backup or system image?

Yes you can restore individual files from a System Image only backup. It's a little more of a process, but this will give you the details.

A System Image is meant to be a straight up backup, while the System Backup is typically meant to just backup individual files/folders on a constant basis, although it also gives you the option to make a system image at the same time you set the Backup process.

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Has anyone found a system image backup utility in Windows 8 Customer Preview ? I have found some discussion of this that says go to Control Panel / Restore. I can not find that option. I do see Control Panel / Recovery which has system Refresh and Reset options.

Answer:System Image backup

Hi bnc123 and welcome to Eight Forums. You need to open control panel in large or small icons view to see it. Click at the top right to change the view.

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Does anyone know: is the actual backup image created during a system image backup available to be viewed in a directory tree structure anywhere ?

My interest stems from having executed the backup (successfully) onto an external drive from within a 2 500 GB disk RAID 0 environment, comprising several partitions striped across the disks.

Would the disk 0 image have been copied in its entirety, or would all system info as striped across both disks have been copied ?

Likewise, what will the restore operation actually write back, and to where ?

Answer:System Image Backup


I am by no means the expert on RAID, but I know a bit.

I believe it depends on whether you have a hardware RAID controller or you are using a mirror from Windows. If you have a hardware array, the OS views it as one drive. If not, then you might run into issues.

Hope someone else can come along and correct/add to this.


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I have had win 10 on my laptop 5 months or so being upgraded from win 8, 8.1 etc. In this time I have not been able to backup to my (eSATA) external HD. I need to do some program work so I want to back up before going ahead. Before someone says use this or that backup program to accomplish the backup. My desire is to have win 10 able to function properly before taking another road.

When I tried my back up this morning it looked like it was running through the whole process but in the end it said failed to backup, giving code 0x807800C5 . My backup location has 3tb so there is plenty of room for it.

Thanks for any info

Answer:Can not Backup or system image, Win 10

Hello Terry,

Can you post a screenshot of your disks and partitions using the disk management window? I am wondering if you might have some partitions that are causing problems with the backup such as multiple EFI system partitions.

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hi, i've backup hdd image using built-in backup & restore utility and moved the backup image to usb hdd. just so happened that win7 Ult 64-bit got corrupted last night and i've been trying to re-image since, without success.

the issue is the restore utilit couldn't find my backup image file. and the odd thing is it doesn't allow me to browse to the image file but instead having to connect to "network". where should i copy the backup image file to so that the restore utility can have access to it and re-image the hdd?

i've chosen advance recoery options, and asked to reboot. have tried all that i can find on the web on how to re-image and they all seems pretty easy but somehow it doesn't work for me.

if reboot, it will load recovery console and says windows cannot find a system image on this computer. attach the backup hard disk or insert the final dvd from a backup set and click retry. alternatively, close this dialog for more options.

i've re-installed win7 and trying to restore to the image i created but still having same issue.

any pointers?


Answer:where to put backup system image?

Hello Foxxkat,

The problem happened when you moved the saved backup from it's original location to another location. When you do this, the backup will no longer be able to be restored from.

You might see if you may be able to manually extract any needed files from the system image backup using the tutorial below though.

System Image - Extract Files Using Disk Management

Hope this helps,

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Now that my machine is purring I am interested in a good system image that is bootable.  I will perform this image on an internal HD using a docking station and put the HD away until the next image.  I have looked at several programs that perform these images but just read this BC tutorial for using the Win 7 backup/image.  Very informative and I'm willing to try it.  I also read a couple of the other suggested tuts as well.  I do have a couple of questions if someone can answer them.  
1. Can the drive where the image is stored be partitioned to use for backing other data or should it be dedicated to the Win 7 image backup?
2. Will a new image overwrite the old?
3. I want to make sure that the image will be able to boot and replace the system on the main system drive if necessary.  
Thanks for any information provided.

Answer:Win 7 backup/system image ?

The free [email protected] Disk Image software i talk about in your other thread would do just what you need. Save full HDD back up as single file & store other files on the same external HDD. Make sure the drive your going to backup to is bigger than the one your backing up because if not how would a full back up fit.

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it says i need a media of at least 1 gb, my cd's are 700 mb: do they make a cd or dvd that's at least 1gb ? can i use blank dvd's ? i made a system repair disk ok; do i need a system image backup, since i have the repair disk ? i don't have a copy of windows/7; thanks

Answer:system image backup ?

Blank DVD's are 4.7gb. I just backed up a new Acer (Win 7) lap top and it took 4 DVD's


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I have just upgraded and am backing up my system image to an external drive. I've noticed that the path showing is
Control Panel> All Control Panel Items> Backup and Restore (Windows 7). I don't understand that path, when I'm dealing with Windows 10. The path is what Windows Backup set without any action from me.

Am I doing something wrong?

Answer:First system image backup: is this right?

That's OK. You are fine. You didn't do anything wrong.
There is another way to do the same thing..............
Control Panel > File History.
Both Backup and Restore (Windows 7) and File History lead you to the same place...... to run system Image backup.

By the way, you system image backup is store in the ext hdd under WindowsImageBackup folder.

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I decided eventually that I should probably download (whilst it's available) the free Win10 offered by MS.
My PC is not running perfectly by any means & I now think it could take some time to properly sort out the problems.
Maybe an Install of Win10 will help but maybe it won't even install.
So I figure I should at least have a backup & system image of what I have now before attempting the Win10 install.
Problem right there. Every time I try I have the same message not enough disc space I I think on C ).
Here's what I have:
OS  =  Win7 (64) Home Ed.
C drive: (vssadmin list shadowstorage), on 240Gb SSHD.  Used 114Gb, free 123Gb.
I think somewhere there is a dedicated 100GB section which might not be available ???
The HD I intended to hold the backup has 381Gb free.
What is the simplest solution, suggestions, please

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I perform an incremental back-up every day using the built-in backup program.

How often would you do a whole system image? I was thinking of only doing that every few months or less. Each image would be 80GB.

Answer:Backup of system image?

Unless you make a lot of changes, backup once in 15 days.

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Is there anywhere to download the backup software that came with the computer on the "D" partition?
I accidentally wiped it off and replacement needed, if available.


Answer:Satellite T110-107 - Where to download original backup image?

Original Toshiba recovery image cannot be downloaded.
If you need it you must order it under

Check it out.

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I have an HP Notebook 15-ba020nr that I purchased 8/2016.  Windows 10 OS.  I ran into a problem doing a System Restore and Technical Support walked me through a number of things but in the end I was told I needed to do a System Recovery.  I am doing that now.   I asked Technical support if After doing the System Recovery, if i could restore a System Image Backup that I have on an external HD (USB) that I created in September.  I created the System Image from: Control Panel > System and Security > Backup and Restore (Windows 7) > Create a System Image.  They said "no" I could not do that.  I really would like to be able to do that because I do not want to manually reinstall all my software (I mean the software I purchased later--not the pre-instaled software).  I thought the System Image  backup was just for this purpose. So, I am asking if I can restore a System Image Backup after I do a System Recovery?  If not, an explanation would be nice.  Thank you in advance. Susie

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I want to use Windows Backup & Restore - Create a System Image. I have 3 hard drives, one of which is partitioned into C: & D:. I just want to image the C:.

7 insists on doing both C: & D: because "The drives that are required for Windows to run are included by default". D: is huge and is mostly data, which I back up routinely in another fashion. D: does have some D:\Program Files but these are not important for me, and the majority are at C:\Program Files. The Paging File is on C: & F:.

How can I get it to image just the C: ?

I know I can use Acronis True Image etc, but I love the idea of imaging from within Windows with a Windows tool.

btw, its 7RC

Thanks so much

Answer:How to System Image C: Partition only?

Wonder if D: has somehow marked itself active, causing Win7 Backup Imaging to think that it is a system drive.

Just to confirm, the checkbox to deselect D: is greyed out, correct?

Can you post back here a screen shot of your full Disk Management map, using Snipping Tool in Start Menu, attached using paper clip in reply box.

Or check if D: is marked Active there.

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Has anyone ever used this program? I saved a backup image of my system with it on an external usb hdd today and was just wondering if I ever need it if it will work to restore my system? Thanks! Best Free Backup Software for Windows 8.1, Windows 8, Windows 7, Vista, XP

Answer:System image backup program

some of them have the limitation of 32bit Bios PC's

you have to pay for UEFI 64bit systems

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In the past, system image backups from my Toshiba laptop to an external HD worked, but now I get the error displayed in the JPG attached in this post.
I have done the CHKDSK/R on my hard drive but the backup still fails. I even tried a different external hard drive, but the results are the same. It fails after it is running the backup for a few minutes.
Can anyone suggest a solution? Thanks.

Answer:System Image Backup fails

I have two recommendations:

1.) Something like this happened to me a couple of times on Win7. Try treeing down and opening EVERYTHING in the navigation pane, and see if you accidentally dragged and dropped a folder or drive into another. Specially look for the drive for your backups somewhere on the C: (system) drive. I causes a link that tries to backup your backup drive, screwing everything up.

2.) Try using Macrium Reflect.

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A general question about a system image backup. Does it act in the same way as formatting the drive ie removing the current system and replacing it with the system image you created on that particular day, thus removing any gremlins you may have?


Answer:[SOLVED] System image backup Win 7

What is a system image?

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hey , this a stupid question, i think. but i just can't understand what is the deference between a system restore image and a backup data image etc? i've heard that u can save both a system restore image and backup at the same time to an external hard drive : for example, f:drive\name of pc user\backupImageSet YYYY-MM-DD HHMMSS is this correct? how is this possible , thank you

Answer:backup/restore system image?

As Brink says, "There are no dumb questions, just the people who do not ask them."

A "plain backup" usually just backs up data files, while a system image backs up everything on your drive. A system image is a kind of backup. To confuse things, it depends on which backup/imaging program you use as to whether or not you can extract individual files. The native Windows 7 tool lets you create a "plain backup" of data files, or a full system image. But you cannot restore individual files from the system image.

Let's say you accidentally delete an important letter that had been in your Documents folder. Either a system image or a data backup could restore that letter. But if all you had was a Windows 7 system image, you'd have to restore the entire hard drive and not just the letter. That's why the native Windows 7 lets you select what kinds of backups you want to create: a data backup, a system image, or both. Other backup software (like Macrium, EaseUS Todo, Paragon, etc) offer more flexibility than the native Windows 7 imaging tool.

Hope this doesn't make it even more confusing.

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been using the built in system image for very long time.....i don't understand why it wont let me only backup my c drive as i usually do. it seems to want to back up partitions that i use for storing files long term and for storing my image backups.

don't recall this ever happening to me before so any advice is greatly appreciated...i like to make frequent backups now and again just in case so i don't have to start over in case something goes wrong......but because is forcing me to include partitions that i usually back up to im unable now.....i understand his is a beta os but there's got to be a way to backup my os drive only right? like we been doing for years now....

the built in image backup has always worked great in the past so im wondering whats causing the issues...i thought there was possibly a setting in disk management i was missing but i cant seem to find what cause the issues

Answer:system image backup problems

I've seen numerous complaints about Windows built in imaging system. I recommend using Macrium Reflect Free instead (here is a good tutorial on how to use Macrium Reflect).

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In the past, system image backups from my Toshiba laptop to an external HD worked, but now I get the error displayed in the JPG attached in this post.
I have done the CHKDSK/R on my hard drive but the backup still fails. I even tried a different external hard drive, but the results are the same. It fails after it is running the backup for a few minutes.
Can anyone suggest a solution? Thanks.

Answer:System Image Backup fails

I have two recommendations:

1.) Something like this happened to me a couple of times on Win7. Try treeing down and opening EVERYTHING in the navigation pane, and see if you accidentally dragged and dropped a folder or drive into another. Specially look for the drive for your backups somewhere on the C: (system) drive. I causes a link that tries to backup your backup drive, screwing everything up.

2.) Try using Macrium Reflect.

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I have run the "create system image" successfully until today. I have an external HD for that image file. It appears to run, goes through the steps and says it has created the image. But when I go to the external HD and click on the Image file that was created there is nothing there. It shows 0. What could I have done to do this. I even looked for that image file on my C: drive, just in case, but it is not there either.

Answer:System Image Backup missing


Is the internal drive split into 2 partitions? How much total space on c and free space on c? By 0 you mean zero bytes, or you dont see anything?

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Will a system image backup include programs, files and application/windows settings?

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Hello, I have 2 identical Lenovo H320s.  I have a couple of questions on the system restore functionality. - I have yet to make a backup image of the system image, which I am planning to do today.  My machine came with Windows 7 Home Premium, how many dvd's do I need?  Further, is it possible for me to make a system image on a USB disk? If so how big a usb stick do I need and how do I go about it? - If one of my hard drive dies, I can use the system restore dvd's or usb that I have created to set things back up.  My follow up question to that is, does it also create a system partition there? or am I SOL? Thanks,Gundan

Answer:Few questions on system image backup etc.

Why do you need a partition if you are just going to run windoze?

The OS: Linux Mint Debian 64--------------------------------------------------------The Hardware: Lenovo A700, 3.7 GB Memory, Processor x 4 = Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M430 @ 2.27GHzThe Name: Bob

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In Windows, there is just something picture copy a backup of the devices required to operate. Within the drive becomes or failures damaged the machine picture may be used to displace Windows all.
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I do not know for sure if system image is the right word to describe what i am looking to do, i will describe what i want so you can tell me if it is what a system image does or if it is something else.
The thing i am looking to do is as follows, write the necessary stuff to a USB drive at time T=0. Then at time T=later if something went wrong  (my system hardware, or i had a severe virus infection, or something went wrong with my software, or even if i had to dump the original system hardware completely and get a brand new piece of hardware to run my system on) i could plug this USB stick into the repaired/brand new/wiped machine and after a few "hours-minutes-back to hours-now it's days-oh sorry just 10 seconds left " of file copy dialog (or whatever the equivalent is for copying the stuff across under these circumstances) my old system as it was at time T=0 would now be running on the repaired, wiped or brand new hardware. Is this what a system image does or is a system image more limited in it's abilities than that? I'm looking for a method where in an emergency you could wipe a system completely, or find a new one, and use this USB to install onto it the old system exactly as it was at T=0. 
For whatever process is needed to create that "emergency repair" USB drive (which would allow a user to recreate an old system exactly as it was at a previous time on repaired/wiped/new hardware  ) can som... Read more

Answer:making a "system image" backup, how?

You are correct, this would be referred to as a system image backup. When you say USB stick, keep in mind that the drive you store the system image file needs to be atleast as big as the "used" space on your hard drive. You probably will need an external hard drive which has more storage capacity than a USB stick.
There are a few free programs that can do this, but Windows has this function built-in.
There is actually a great article here on BC about creating a Windows 7/8 system image backup: Just scroll down to the section How to create a backup system image in Windows 7 and Windows 8 for instructions on creating a manual backup.
As far as restoring the system image, here is another BC article that walks you through the process:
Keep in mind that unless you paid for a Retail Windows license, you can't install Windows on a new computer, or even the same computer with a different motherboard. If your computer came with Windows, the license only applies to that computer. However, if you buy a new computer that comes with Windows, there should be a way to work around the licensing issue, as the new computer comes with it's own license (but only if the new computer has the exact same version of Windows as your old computer). Isn't Windows licensing just super fun? 

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So I've used Norton ghost in XP to do this and had a great experience.

When i got Win7 i was waiting for ghost to be patched. Then i read on this website about using some other free program the people here recommended. I just popped back to find it and now see its been replaced with windows 7s own system image backup program, i had no idea this existed, when did it come about and why wasn't it on here before? Is it better than ghost or that other program?

Answer:Creating a System Image backup

Here you go.

System Image Recovery

It is better than ghost because it is free

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OK, I have Win 7 & Win 8 on two separate HDD's (I can choose either OS to run at start-up).

So how come when I try to do a system image backup (in widows 8) & choose Win 8 from the list of drives it also locks in the Win 7 drive, which I cannot change?
It will not let me just do a System image backup of Win 8 without including the drive that has Win 7 installed.

Answer:Windows System image backup

Win7 partition may be system.

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I have heard that there is a very rapid way to restore your windows settings including all your installed programs settings, should windows become curropted.
A backup image of system drive is required. A partition of the c drive is required for wnindows, all programs and all user settings.
A larger partition is required for your documents folder.

Does anyone know what program to use and how to do this?

It is supier to the system restore function.


Answer:backup image of system drive


Yes this application is my favorite and will create a clone/image of your HD, thus your OS and all the installed software and settings so that in the event of a crash or malware you can restore a good known image back, then its just like you back were you left off

there maybe some freebies apps around but I have used and have had nothing but great word to say about this app and its ease of use, well worth the $$$s or Euros, you may find a cheaper version of Version 10 as Version 11 of Acronis True Image has just been released.

Notes on images and clones, do store them on a seperate drive or media to your main HD, and well with keeping a rolling 3 of them so your currrent and in case one backup fails, its rare but media can get scratched.

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Hi guys and gals,

I was looking through my secondary HDD (which is where i have my system image stored).

I noticed that i seem to have 2 large files of approx 180GB each on the drive.

One shows as WindowsImageBackup and the other shows as RODSWIN7 (which is that name of my computer)

What i want to know is why I have these 2 large files of what seems to be system images/back ups.

I have attached a pic as to how they display in my HDD:

Can anyone please tell me why i have both of these? When i created a disk image the WindowsImageBackup Folder was created. I just dont know if i need the other one or not as its taking up a fair bit of room.

Thanks in advance

Answer:Duplicated system image/backup

Hi Roo Boy and welcome to Seven Forums.

The WindowsImageBackup folder is where your system images are. RODSWIN7 is where your File and Folder backups reside.

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I would like to backup a bad drive and replace it with a new drive (160gb WD in both cases)

I cannot back up the system image from the bad drive to the new drive (hangs up).

The bad drive was an upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.

What can I do?


It depends what you mean by bad drive, but I am going to take it to mean that there is data that is not physically readable? If that is the case, then you are not going to be able to back up the data since the bad disk can not be read in order to retrieve the information. Are there any errors being generated?

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Before doing a system-image-backup, with Macrium Reflect (free version), do you suggest to manually execute a maintenance process (from the Action Center), in case the previous Windows automatic maintenance (or more of them) didn't run (perhaps the computer was not switched on)? Even if there is no particular alert displayed?
Or it is not important, and after restoring the system-image-backup, Windows 8 will continue to work without problems where it was left, even if months or years have passed since the backup?
It is not important to do this, even if several automatic maintenances have been skipped? (still for the same reason: computer switched off during maintenance time).

Answer:Maintenance before system-image-backup

It wouldn't hurt to defrag the hdd, use the disk cleanup tool, run chkdsk /r, and run sfc /scannow.  You could also run Temp File Cleaner.
Please explain about the computer turning off during maintenance.

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A couple days ago I took a system image backup of Windows 10 to a 3TB drive - something unsupported in Windows 7 because of the 4k segment size. At least I think I took a backup - it did something for a long time. But I just looked at it and Windows says it's 0 bytes long. Is there any way to know whether I actually have a backup short of trying to restore it?

Answer:How to validate system image backup

When seeing a full system image backup made here my first move is to browse directly to the folder afterwards to see how large the system image is. You simply to the location with an explorer window. For verification of the integrity that would take having a spare drive you can restore the image to and boot from afterwards long enough to verify a working image had been created.

I think you may the following quote about the differences seen between MBR and GPT are not simply the limitations in Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10 to 2tb but how changing from MBR to GPT is used to overcome the 2-2.2tb limitation seen with MBR.

Let me take a few minutes to talk about the mysterious 2TB limit. In fact, in a word, it is due to the type of initialization performed on the disk. Your disk is MBR type! The MBR supports up to 2TB per single partition. So you can only see and use 2TB in your computer. How To Solve The Problem? Now that you have known 2TB is the max volume in a MBR disk. I also want to tell you that there are two types of disk, another is called GPT(GUID Partition Table), a new partition/disk style, which support bigger than 2TB. So the solution is converting MBR to GPT? Yes, it is!
At first, verify that your computer equipped with UEFI if your system partition is in the pre MBR disk. The UEFI will show up in the bios. Second, it is about operating system requirements. You can consult the chart below.

The chart showing each version a... Read more

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Hi all,
I recently purchased a Lenovo 900 ultrabook, and proceeded to upgrade from Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro (using a Windows 7 Ultimate product key). Now that I have done this the factory "restore" does not include my upgrade and I am concerned that I would lose it if I ever needed to restore.
So, I am trying to do a full system image backup to a flash drive, but Windows 10 says that the drive is not allowed for this. I can create the USB drive as a network share and get the backup to work using that method, but I don't really trust that it will work properly.
Has anyone been able to figure out how to do a full system image backup to a USB drive in Windows 10 that you trust will work in the case a restore is needed?

Answer:System Image Backup to USB Drive

A factory restore will always go back to Windows 7, but if you install Windows 10 on this PC using an ISO or upgrade, logging into your Microsoft Account (MSA) will unlock the Windows 10 license.
If you can mount the USB drive as a network drive, won't that work as a system image restore point too in future? And since the imaging tool is a Windows 7 one even in 10, you probably won't even need to move to Windows 10 to restore but can do an image restore from 7.
I've always used File History to backup files daily... System image to clone hard drives. It's worked fine for that (in 7 only). Also the sysinternals tool disk2vhd which will write to USB. But I use that for moving old drives onto clean PC installs [not for backup/restore purposes.] I've always been of the opinion that if a drive fails, it's a great time for a clean install providing I have my data.

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Hi guys, I've read with interest this forum.. I'll try & keep this brief as I can... I did a W7 system image backup on 5 DVDs. My Pc is a DELL XPS 15z which has the eject button as a key on the keyboard. I had a virus on my PC & tried to reinstall the image but I can only get as far as entering the last disc from the back up set.. when I try to eject the dvd it won't work unless I abort & boot into windows!! Since then I did a clean reinstall of windows 7, but I have realised I've lost my Microsoft office that came with the original Dell system software.I've also lost the original Dell back up so I can't restore with Dell recovery. How can I gt this problem solved? I have the image on 5 DVDs but I can't get it back on the laptop! Can it be transferred to a usb flash drive or a partition in my hard drive? Any help would be really appreciated.

Answer:system image backup on 5 DVDs

Welcome to the Seven Forums.

You might try the steps in this tutorial:
Windows 7 Universal Installation Disc - Create

See the note box above step 1.

That note box has a link where you might be able to download a Windows ISO file.

I say "might" because the links to some of the ISO files are not always functional as of late.

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Windows 8 Consumer Preview System Image Tutorial:Step 1. Whether your on the Desktop or the MetroUI, mouse over the bottom right corner to expand the Menu and select "Search", then select "Settings" and type in "File Recovery" and select "Windows 7 File Recovery"This will open the window shown below;Step2. Select "Create a system image", which will open the window shown below and search for available disk space. You can then choose your own and click "Next"Step 3. Select the drives, files to be saved, Your Windows OS's are automatically selected. Click "Next"Step 4. Confirm your selection and click "Start Backup"Step 5. Your backup will start.Step 6. Once completed, Windows will then ask if you wish to "Create a System Repair Disc" click your choice. I chose "Yes" as shown below;This concludes the Tutorial for creating a "System Backup" and "Repair Disc" for Windows 8 Consumer Preview.Note: You will notice that it says "Windows 7 File Recovery"Under all the MetroUI, Ribbons and Apps, you are running Windows 7.Regards,Don

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hi, I'm new to this forum and the answer is probably somewhere in here but I'll ask it anyway. I am looking for a program that will back up my computer and restore it to its previous state after it crashes and the hard drive has to be wiped clean. Specifically MS flight Sim X. I have had to re-install my flight sim program 3 times now after a computer crash and it takes days to re-install all the scenery, aircraft and multiplayer connections like TeamSpeak and FSUIPC, FSCopilot FSinn, ACARS, VASIM, and so on. I would like to have all the settings come back the same as when the computer that possible?


Answer:System Mirro Image Backup

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Hi guys, i made a system image backup of the window 10 running on my toshiba laptop via control panel on a external harddrive. And i am trying to restore it by going to window recovery, then system image recovery in advanced options. But the problem i am facing it that when i get the restore option and i click next then i get ( To restore this computer, windows need to format the drive that the windows recovery environment is currently running on, bla bla bla) and it asks me to create a disk. So can someone please tell me how can i fix this issue. Thanks

Answer:How to restore system image backup


Whilst I can find the tutorial for making a system image [Create a System Image], I cannot find one about restoring it at the moment so here are my own notes on the procedure - [I never see the message windows need to format the drive... so I am not sure where you are when you see that]

1 Go to
Settings,Update & security,Recovery,Under the Advanced startup heading, click on the button for Restart now.
2 This will take you into the onboard Windows recovery environment [WRE], a menu-driven environment -

Troubleshoot,Advanced options,System image recover.

3 You will be rebooted into the System image recovery procedure -
Log into an Admin account,Connect the drive containing the image,Accept the latest image identified by the system or Select a image,The rest is entirely menu driven.[Whilst there are some options that can be chosen, the defaults are normally off for all these and should be accepted.]
There are variations of this procedure such as starting the restoration from an installation disk, system repair disk or System recovery drive.


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I originally posted this to the tutorial section but no one has answered me and if i posted it in the wrong section you can remove it and leave it where it does belong but i really would like an answer before i go out and purchase a new external HD and find out i bought it for nawt.

I used the system image backup in windows 7 home premium.
btw i backed it up to an external HD
It made a folder with several subfolders after the backup and was about 55gigs
Now it is next month and i added programs, updates etc and i want to make another image does it go over the existing image backup or does it create a new folder with new subfolders?
I would like to understand this because i plan on purchasing a bigger HD and want to estimate how much I need

Also when i get the bigger external HD and do another backup image since it will not see the first one will it make a new beginning one? or will it have a fit and look for the old one on the other smaller external HD- then what would I do?
I did the first one just so i could see how it is done and to have something until I get a bigger external HD

thank you very much

Answer:Question about Backup System Image

I am not sure how much room it will use but you don't need to worry about it not fitting. It MAY overwrite the existing image. It may give you a warning when you start it. You will want to use the last one you created anyway, so it's okay to create another "on top of the one you have now.

I have a 250GB external and back up 4 systems on it with Windows imaging tool. I have run it on each computer several times and still have 60-70GBGB free space.

Hope this helps.

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Greetings everyone,
I've not partitioned a hard drive on Windows 8/8.1. In fact, I've never partitioned a hard drive on Windows 7. The last time I partitioned a hard drive was Windows XP to dual-boot two operating systems. I'd like to partition the hard drive on my laptop in order to save a backup of my system onto it, as I don't have an external drive right now. Can someone please give me a detailed, step by step process to partition my hard drive and then back up my system onto it? I'd really appreciate it.
I have 350GB of free space.

Answer:Partitioning for System Image Backup

1.Open Windows Disk Management by pressing "Windows + R" and typing "diskmgmt.msc". In the pop-up window, right click on a partition and select "Shrink Volume".
2.In the pop-up window, enter the amount of space to shrink.
3.Click "Shrink" and we can get an unallocated space. Then, right click on it and select "New Simple Volume". Then, we can partition a new volume in Windows 8 or 8.1 by following the guidance. More details about partitioning Windows 8 with Disk Management
Although Windows 8/8.1 Disk Management utility can partition a new volume, it still has some shortcomings. But partition manager like AOMEI Partition Assistant is a professional and advanced software to partition a hard drive in Windows 8 or 8.1, not only includes basic features, but also advanced features, such as Move Partition, Merge Partition, Disk Copy Wizard and so on. Furthermore it can work well with all Windows operating systems.

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I'm trying to make a system image and configure backups but I'm unable to select the internal drive that has the space I need.

I have a 1Tb drive partioned into C:\ [Win7] and D:\ [Data]
and a 750Gb drive [H:\] that used to have XP on it that I want to put my backups on.
I used to dual boot XP and Win7.

Computer Managment > Disk Management shows

C: Healthy (Boot, Page File, Active, Crash Dumo, Primary Partition)
D: Healthy (Primary Partition)
H: Healthy (System, Active, Primary Partition)

System Imaging/Backup help says you can't backup to the system (startup) drive (not sure why?)

Is there any way to change which drive is designated as the system drive?

I've removed the dual boot and used bcdedit on C: to only reference itself
What's else do I need to do to make C: the system drive?


- Norm

Answer:Backup/System Image problem

That H drive has boot files for XP. As long as those files are there, it will not let you back up to it. You can remove them and put them back if you ever want to boot to XP again.

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When I use Win 7 backup, it gives me the option each time I create a backup to create a system image. I created a system image on a CD a couple of days ago. Why does it ask me if I want to create another each time I do the backup? Is it talking about creating one on my hard drive, not a CD?

If it's just my hard drive then perhaps I should create one each time, but creating one on a CD is onerous. Plus, if this is the case, (that it wants me to create a CD) I don't know how that's to be done if the backup is on a schedule in the middle of the night.

Answer:Do I need to create System Image after each backup?

Quote: Originally Posted by wsplawn

When I use Win 7 backup, it gives me the option each time I create a backup to create a system image. I created a system image on a CD a couple of days ago. Why does it ask me if I want to create another each time I do the backup? Is it talking about creating one on my hard drive, not a CD?

If it's just my hard drive then perhaps I should create one each time, but creating one on a CD is onerous. Plus, if this is the case, (that it wants me to create a CD) I don't know how that's to be done if the backup is on a schedule in the middle of the night.

The restore point will not be saved on a cd

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It's been around since Vista, but I rarely ever hear anything - either good or bad - about it.

Answer:Does anybody use the built-in System Image Backup?

Some like it and some don't. I use Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download which a lot on here also use.


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If I understand what I did correctly, when I first created a System Image Backup, Win 7 created a folder on a External drive called WindowsImageBackup.

I would like to start fresh with a new full System Image Backup. But, I think I need to delete the folder already created. My supposition is that I can just move to this directory on my External drive and through Windows Explorer, delete it. But this is a supposition.

Will somone advise?

Answer:How delete System Image Backup

I haven't done it - but you will find out if you rt click it and select delete.

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